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IAmTheOneTrueGinger

Member
Wizard of Combat
Hi all! I just joined and signed up for the Faster Combat stuff. I've got some questions...
  1. Is there a print / print-on-demand version of the book? I don't mind pdfs much but I'm old school and love to have something to flip through in bed.
  2. Am I missing something in the campaign logger that makes putting campaigns together easier? I typically do linked nodes of 5-room dungeons.
  3. If not, does anyone know good online tools for that? Free is best but I don't mind paying for quality if it's likely to have a long shelf life. I'd have to lose everything because the owner decided to no longer support it.
 

JohnnFour

Game Master
Staff member
Demonplague Author
Wizard of Adventure
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Wizard of Combat
Wizard of Story
Hola!

1. There used to be but it became out of data from errata, so I had to take it down. There might be a book in the future with all the new stuff. I'm not sure yet.

2. In the new version of Campaign Logger (app.campaign-logger.com) you can create diagrams using Mermaid syntax. (@JochenL correct me if i'm wrong, but I think we need to document this and add it to Campaign Logger Resources.) You can link to entries within the diagram making it a great tool for what you need.

If you could share specifics on what you need to make campaigns easier, please hit reply! We might have those features already. And if not, we can add them to our voting list in the future.

Cheers.
 

IAmTheOneTrueGinger

Member
Wizard of Combat
Hi!

1. There used to be but it became out of data from errata, so I had to take it down. There might be a book in the future with all the new stuff. I'm not sure yet.
I double dog dare you! ;)

2. In the new version of Campaign Logger (app.campaign-logger.com) you can create diagrams using Mermaid syntax. (@JochenL correct me if i'm wrong, but I think we need to document this and add it to Campaign Logger Resources.) You can link to entries within the diagram making it a great tool for what you need.
I have no idea what mermaid syntax is, but I like it already. :)

If you could share specifics on what you need to make campaigns easier, please hit reply! We might have those features already. And if not, we can add them to our voting list in the future.
Here's a sample of my typical prep.

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Each node is a scene. Each arrow is a clue leading from the node to another. Each node has at least 3 clues so players are less likely to get stymied. Each row of nodes is a mini-arc where I try to have one combat, one RP, and one puzzle possibility.

The last part (The Mound of Princes) is the 5-room-dungeon shown at the bottom. Lately I've started expanding several nodes into 5RD's.

Lately I've been making it so more than just the final node is a 5RD. In this example I probably would have had the first node also be one, though it would (hopefully) be more RP-focused than the last one where they raid a tomb. LOL
 

IAmTheOneTrueGinger

Member
Wizard of Combat
I used to do all of it in PowerPoint, extract the node diagrams to images, then use html to link each node to a specific webpage or subsection in the page. I'm way too lazy for that. The ideal setup would be something that allowed for easy creation of the nodes and storing the content somewhere that could be accessed with a click or two.
 

Rardian

Feature-Keeper
Beta-Tester
Wizard of Combat
Wizard of Story
I used to do all of it in PowerPoint, extract the node diagrams to images, then use html to link each node to a specific webpage or subsection in the page. I'm way too lazy for that. The ideal setup would be something that allowed for easy creation of the nodes and storing the content somewhere that could be accessed with a click or two.
Here you can find an example of the 5RD template that Jochen created: https://campaign-community.com/index.php?threads/campaign-logger-vnext.1395/post-12269
 

Gedece

Active member
Wizard of Adventure
Wizard of Story
You can try this miniexample.

mermaid.png

```mermaid
graph TD
part_a-->room_c
part_a-->room_b
room_c-->final
room_b-->final
 

IAmTheOneTrueGinger

Member
Wizard of Combat
Thanks! Is it possible to put labels on the arrows. They're not necessary but I've found them helpful. Each line is a clue and a one or two word description of the clue means less scrolling up and down between the graph and the nodes' descriptions.
 

JochenL

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Yes it is:

Code:
```mermaid
graph TD
part_a-->|from a to c|room_c
part_a-->|from a to b|room_b
room_c-->final
room_b-->final
```
1625145646595.png
 

Rardian

Feature-Keeper
Beta-Tester
Wizard of Combat
Wizard of Story
I played around with it a little, too. This is what I came up with:

First approach:
Code:
```mermaid
flowchart TB
A["A: The King's Rest Inn"]
B["B: Vantru's Party"]
C["C: Royal Guard"]
D["D: Mayor and Wife"]
E["E: Vantru"]
F["F: Prince Charles"]
G["G: Incánus"]
H["The Mound of Princes"]

A --> B
A --> C
A --> D
B --> E
B --> F
C --> E
C --> F
C --> G
D --> F
D --> G
E --> H
F --> H
G --> H
```
1625146975118.png

Sadly, if you start adding links between the horizontal boxes it starts looking weird:
1625146952400.png

But if you use subgraphs for each level of adventure it looks very neat:
Code:
```mermaid
flowchart TB
A["A: The King's Rest Inn"]
B["B: Vantru's Party"]
C["C: Royal Guard"]
D["D: Mayor and Wife"]
E["E: Vantru"]
F["F: Prince Charles"]
G["G: Incánus"]
H["The Mound of Princes"]

subgraph one
B <-->|hint1| C
C <-->|hint2| D
end
subgraph two
E <-->|hint3| F
F <-->|hint4| G
end
one --> two
A --> one
two --> H
```
1625147065190.png

The 5rd from the end is the simplest:
Code:
```mermaid
flowchart LR
A["Lock and Trap"]
B["Left for Dead"]
C["The Wight"]
D["Ambush"]
E["Warning!"]

A --> B --> C --> D --> E
```
1625147120787.png
Or with rounded boxes:
Code:
```mermaid
flowchart LR
A(["Lock and Trap"])
B(["Left for Dead"])
C(["The Wight"])
D(["Ambush"])
E(["Warning!"])

A --> B --> C --> D --> E
```
1625147279094.png

Edit: A link to the extensive mermaid documentation: https://mermaid-js.github.io/mermaid/#/flowchart
 
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IAmTheOneTrueGinger

Member
Wizard of Combat
For the subgraph option, is it possible to do the arrows between all nodes like above? For instance, B, C, and D all going to F? Pretty is good but if it's a choice between substance and style I'll go with the first one every time. :)
 

Rardian

Feature-Keeper
Beta-Tester
Wizard of Combat
Wizard of Story
Possible, yes, but not my style. Do you like it?

```mermaid
flowchart TB
A["A: The King's Rest Inn"]
B["B: Vantru's Party"]
C["C: Royal Guard"]
D["D: Mayor and Wife"]
E["E: Vantru"]
F["F: Prince Charles"]
G["G: Incánus"]
H["The Mound of Princes"]

subgraph one
B <-->|hint1| C
C <-->|hint2| D
end
subgraph two
E <-->|hint3| F
F <-->|hint4| G
end
A --> one
two --> H

B -->|hint5| E
C -->|hint6| E
B -->|hint7| F
C -->|hint8| F
C -->|hint9| G
D -->|hint10| G
```

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